Low in the Water

a good word for pastors &
Those who find life in the word

The Podcast

The Poem

by Eugene Peterson

The Poem and The Podcast

What is the podcast about? 

Low in the Water offers a benediction. A good word for those who are called to speak a good word, and for all of us who need to receive a good word. The common lectionary will give focus to the weekly conversation, both scripturally and seasonally. Then monthly, Mandy Smith and Winn Collier will join Nathan for a wider-ranging conversation.

How did we get the name – Low in the Water?

Eugene Peterson wrote a poem (published in his volume of poetry, Holy Luck) about one of the many guests who showed up to Flathead Lake – a common loon. In that loon, Peterson saw something intriguing and important:

Low in the water, this contemplative
loon is an icon for living present
but detached.

This common loon is a window into the unseen angles that give integral shape to the pastoral vocation. One of those angles is spiritual direction, “living present, but detached.” Pastoral life is being present with people, but detached from managing, fixing, controlling, or manipulating them.

I rarely see him fly
but he can fly. This loon dives, dives
long and deep. No mere surface
bird, he goes for the depths.

Another angle is paying attention to the Scriptures: diving deep, going for the depths – low in the water. The common loon is not a flashy flyer or a mere surface bird. The loon spends a fair amount of time diving, exploring, hunting, and hidden under water. Other birds (or congregants) might be suspicious, “What are they doing down there for so long?” The contemplative loon (and pastor) know that there is treasure down there.

When he dives
I think he prays, searching deep waters
for what keeps him and us alive,
grace and quiet, buoyant with Presence.

The final angle is prayerfulness – searching, deep crying out to deep. The vastness of God’s grace in the quiet waters is the life of the pastor and the life of the church. Daily provision is found underneath our surface identities – down, down low in the water to our most basic baptismal identity: beloved.

Meet Nathan (PASTOR & HOST)

Nathan Hoff

Nathan Hoff was born at San Pedro Hospital, two blocks from where he now lives. He has lived in Seattle (where he graduated from High School, then college at Trinity Lutheran College formerly Lutheran Bible Institute), Dubuque, the Texas panhandle, Peterson (MN-269 population), Minneapolis/St Paul (where he graduated from Luther Seminary in 2002), Portland, Stavanger (Norway), Orange County, and boomeranged back to San Pedro when he received a call to serve as pastor at Trinity Lutheran Church in 2005.

In 2019, in the same parish, Nathan and a small group of friends, began a Benedictine-inspired neo-monastic community of young adults that share a rule of life and a rhythm of prayer called the Theta Community. Participating in the first Holy Presence cohort (2021-2024) at the Eugene Peterson Center at Western Theological Seminary was restorative and reinvigorating to Nathan’s pastoral vocation. Nathan is married to Joy and they have four kids named Christian (married to Molly), Annika, Samuel, and Peter.

Nathan’s writing can be found at: nathanhoff.substack.com or trinitysanpedro.org/nathanhoff

Meet Jonathan (MUSICIAN & PRODUCER)

Jonathan Gabhart

Jonathan Gabhart is a musician and pastor from Holland, MI. He is married to Anna and shares the joy of raising two children together. Jonathan grew up amid the corn fields of Iowa, but came to Michigan as a student at Hope College where he studied vocal music. He then studied at Western Theological Seminary, graduating in 2015. Since then he has served as the Pastor of Worship Arts at Pillar Church. He journeyed with the Peterson Center in the Holy Presence Doctor of Ministry cohort from 2021-2024. And participates in other local arts endeavors with Cardiphonia, Bellwether Arts, and a rag-tag folk music group called Michigan-IO.

Music and Production Reflections:
All the music has been originally composed and recorded for this podcast by the band Michigan-IO, a group of musicians in Holland, MI. The music has been written and produced to give a sense of spaciousness, mostly with acoustic instruments, and you may even notice the space of the world around us through field recordings and found sounds that evoke the “wild, elusive, and sleek” (from “Quiet” by Eugene Peterson) beauty we are all seeking.

Additional Pastoral Voices

Andrea Taphorn

Andrea Taphorn is a pastor and a hospital chaplain. She has been married to her husband Brodie, who is also a Lutheran pastor, for 26 years. Together, they pastor a congregation at St. Timothy Lutheran in San Diego, CA. They have three kids: Abby, Carolyn and Silas. Andrea’s background has been in Children’s Ministry and she loves teaching young people. She is also passionate about shepherding people with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Brian Keepers

Brian Keepers has been an ordained pastor in the Reformed Church in America for nearly 24 years. He has served three different congregations in west Michigan and northwest Iowa. Brian graduated from Northwestern College in Orange City, IA with a B.A. in Humanities, and then received his M.Div. from Western Theological Seminary in Holland, MI. In 2017, he completed his Doctor of Ministry program at Western Seminary.

Brian is a pastor at his core, and he loves the integration of theology, leadership, and the pastoral life. He and his wife Tammy have been married 25 years and have two daughters and one granddaughter.

Dave Wollan

Dave Wollan is a pastor at Faith Lutheran in Hutchinson, MN, husband to Andrea, and father of four awesome kids.  He received his Doctor of Ministry from the Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination. 

Dave loves being a part of the church, good coffee conversations, and the Minnesota Vikings.

Eric Peterson

Eric Peterson is the founding pastor of Colbert Presbyterian Church near Spokane, Washington where he has served since 1997. He is married to Elizabeth with whom he delights in their six children and four grandchildren.

Mandy Smith

Mandy Smith is the pastor of St Lucia Uniting Church in Brisbane, Australia, and a DMin cohort leader at The Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination. Mandy is an artist and the author of “Confessions of an Amateur Saint: The Christian Leader’s Journey from Self-Sufficiency to Reliance on God”, “The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry” and “Unfettered: Imagining a Childlike Faith Beyond the Baggage of Western Culture.”

Mandy and her husband Jamie, a New Testament professor, live in their parsonage where the teapot is always warm. 

Learn more at www.TheWayIsTheWay.org.

Winn Collier

Winn Collier is an Episcopal priest and the founding pastor of All Souls in Charlottesville, Virginia. His teaching centers on pastoral theology, connecting the ancient streams of Christian wisdom to the grit and wonders of the parish. He’s also drawn to the intersections of sacramental theology, iconography, theology of place, and the writing craft. Winn holds a PhD. from the University of Virginia in Religion & Literature, where he explored the sacramental vision of Wendell Berry’s fiction.

Winn and his wife Miska (a spiritual director and yoga teacher) have two sons. You may read more of Winn’s work on his Substack or view more information on his writing site.

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